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So, Vince Cable is proposing a graduate tax. Haven't we been here before?

It's been a while since I posted about HE funding (posts passim), but it's worth repeating some of the highlights:

  • Back in 1997, the Dearing Report recommended that because "those with higher education qualifications are the main beneficiaries [of higher education], through improved employment prospects and pay", "graduates in work should make a greater contribution to the costs of higher education in future". The report goes on to recommend an income contingent scheme along the lines of the Australian Higher Education Contribution Scheme.
  • Richard Gombrich's article from 2000 is still worth reading, and an indication of what HE is likely to suffer in the lifetime of this government.
  • Roy Hattersley was generally right in 2002, and he's still generally right now.
  • The then Education Secretary Charles Clarke heavily hinted at a graduate tax back in 2003. It didn't happen. Instead, we got top-up fees by a vote of 316:311.
  • A graduate tax will not be hypothecated, therefore Universities UK will not support it.
  • A graduate tax will take over forty years to reach steady state (being the period between graduation and retirement), but HE will continue to require support from other sources during this period. Ignore this at your peril.
  • David Willetts is wrong. Before he starts calling for us to "give more value to students and taxpayers", he should be aware that per-capita tertiary funding fell by 50% over the twenty years to 2000. During the same period, staff:student ratios fell from 1:9 to 1:17 (or 1:23 if research funding is excluded). The increase in funding under the last government did not substantially correct this. How much more value does he think there is to give?

I could say more, but not without repeating things that I've said over the past decade.


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I have no problem with the repayment of student loans happening through the tax system - that would seem like an elegant way of managing repayment.

But I don't think that taxing people more because they are better educated makes any sense. If they make more money because of their degree then they will be paying more tax anyway.

So as someone who works i the system how do you think it should be paid for?

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You don't directly answer the question. I read it as fund out of general taxation but I could be wrong so please correct me if I am misreading.

1) The country is currently broke so there is not enough money to fund everything that way.

2) I generally hear this reasoning from people who would benefit from it. Are you by any chance either a graduate or a student? As a higher rate paying non graduate I don't see the current approach to tertiary education funding as good value for the limited money we have available.

Well, except that given the iniquitous UK tax system, they probably in fact end up paying the same proportion of tax overall as a low wage earner (since we have a number of regressive taxes such as VAT and council tax).

But I agree with you in principle.

A hypothecated graduate tax, ideally introduced at the time of the Robbins Report.

he should be aware that per-capita tertiary funding fell by 50% over the twenty years to 2000.

The capita in question is the student capita not the general populace capita right? (We get less per student but on average the universities get more money is my understanding -- but that "more money" being hugely misleading given the massive increase in students to teach).

Per-student-capita funding declined by 50% from 1980-2000, yes. I believe that both per-capita funding and funding as a proportion of GDP also declined over the same period, but I don't have the figures to hand.

Look at the figures from UCU here: http://www.ucu.org.uk/media/html/losingvitalinvestment1.html

Also, look at http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/1468-0297.00102


Also wouldn't a graduate tax provide a strong incentive to graduates to move to other countries?

An incentive, yes. A strong incentive, maybe.

...and for others not to gain HE qualifications in the first place?

I mean, it's tax. You tax things you want to discourage. Raising public funds is a happy side-effect of this process.

You've just inspired a poll - mind if I cite you as the inspiration?

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Wel,, they've already paid a handsome fee for the privilege, so we're not too bothered about tax revenues from them.

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